Ranking The NBA's Best
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Topic: Ranking The NBA's Best
Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Subject: Ranking The NBA's Best
Date Posted: 07 November 2011 at 4:44pm
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[tube]kL2TnZS0dWA[/tube] I'm glad Skip and Steph who both work for ESPN find that list an insult to the game of basketball! -------------  |
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Posted By: TCMan5190
Date Posted: 07 November 2011 at 5:35pm
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I just laughed and shook my head when I saw this list. it's horrible. is there a vid for their top 10? I don't think i've seen anybody actually agree with it. how'd it even get made ------------- http://twitter.com/#!/TCMan5190 - Follow Me! |
Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Date Posted: 07 November 2011 at 5:58pm
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Not sure if there's another vid, I came across this one while watching an them talk about Shaq's book and how Lebron got away with all this stuff in cleveland LOL... It's funny how Kobe averaged 25 points a game last season on one leg and magically he's done, now number 7 LOL. Also having Blake Griffin ahead of Melo is LOL ------------- |
Posted By: pepe123
Date Posted: 07 November 2011 at 6:21pm
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Lebron is one? WTF! I'm a Celtic fan, but i have to admit, Kobe is the man.. Mr. desperation to win a ring and fail epicly should be no where near.
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Posted By: pepe123
Date Posted: 07 November 2011 at 6:34pm
 " It's a sign on the apocalypse!"
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Posted By: useref15
Date Posted: 07 November 2011 at 8:28pm
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My unbiased list is..... 1. Lebron 2. Wade 3. Kobe 4. Howard 5. Durant 6. Nowitzki 7. Melo 8. D-Will 9. Paul 10. Rose I think thats pretty accurate.
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Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Date Posted: 07 November 2011 at 10:24pm
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^ How do you have Lebron at 1? Did you not watch the NBA finals last year? He couldn't get it done with 2 other superstars and got outplayed by Chris Bosh. I mean, Chris Bosh outplayed Wade as well. ------------- |
Posted By: useref15
Date Posted: 07 November 2011 at 10:45pm
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As much as I hate Lebron, I still think he is the most talented player in the world. However, I think if I needed to start a team...I would take Dwight Howard number 1. ------------- |
Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Date Posted: 07 November 2011 at 11:07pm
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Talent doesn't mean you are the best though. I wouldn't even say he's the most talented, I'd say he's the most physically gifted player in the NBA. Yet dude has been in the league for 9 seasons and still can't dribble or shoot a consistent jump shot. He choked in the fourth quarter of every single game. He got out played by Deshawn Stevenson. I love Lebron though, because he always tries to prove his doubters wrong by getting way from his game which is just driving to the rim, he instead tries to become a jump shooter and fails miserably. I love it! ------------- |
Posted By: xDuBz201
Date Posted: 07 November 2011 at 11:40pm
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i think kevin durant should be #1
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Posted By: retro
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 11:17am
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IDK, I'm beginning to hate Lebron and tired of even hearing his name...but he IS the best player in the league today. I know he came up small in the Finals, so ok, he doesn't have that clutch factor that Kobe does and MJ always did. Kobe has lost a step, admit it yall...He's still great, but he's been beat up and bit and has declined slightly. KD is the absolute truth, and I'd say hes the best scorer in the league, and he does do other things well. But Lebron does A LOT of all of those "other" things (besides shooting) way better than KD. No need to be mad. Lebron is the best today. Yet still, I'd say this much, the media overrates him (if that makes any sense...does anyone understand what I'm saying?). His game has flaws, but his talent, skill, size, and strength is not debatable. Those 4 attributes by far overshadow his weaknesses on a night in, night out basis. And like I said, I think I'm pretty unbiased here, because I don't like the guy personality wise at all... ------------- |
Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 11:23am
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^ You provided zero reason on why you think he's the best player. It's hard to tell if Kobe has lost a significant step because he's old, or because he's injured. 3 Finals in a row a long with the olympics in 08, he hasn't had a rest till.... Well till now. This will upcoming season will say a lot about Kobe Bryant. Lebron will still be the same dude who can't hit a jump shot, is not clutch, and can't dribble. He's just a freak physically, but no where near the most skilled or the best player. ------------- |
Posted By: retro
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 11:56am
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Just his overall skill. Scoring, passing, rebounding, defense...simple as that. He's a monster of a type that we've never seen before. I completely agree and understand what you said about Kobe playing all of those extra games plus the Olympics, plus the injuries, attributing to him "losing a step." Nonetheless, he has. LOL at "we'll see this upcoming season." C'mon Salvo, it aint happening. But when we do see Kobe in the NBA again, he'll be another year closer to the 40 (IDK his exact age off hand, but he's had A LOT of milage throughout his career). In addition, for older players, sometimes TOO much rest can hurt. IDK if it will or not, but I guarentee "THE MIKE BROWN ERA" in LA will show just how old Kobe is . Sorry Salvi, but you're about to be witnessing the downfall of your Lakers dynasty whenever the NBA does resume.And back to your final statement about Lebron, I think you're almost under estimating him. I know he doesn't have the best Jumpshot, but neither does Kobe. He hasn't been the most clutch, yet I clearly stated that is the biggest flaw of his on the court in my opinion. And I completely disagree about the dribbling thing. You'd have a point if the NBA actually called traveling on his 5-step drives towards the hoop, but they don't lol. For his size, I'd say his handle is pretty damn good. His PG skills are extremely similar to Magic Johnson's, and thats a hell of a category to be in. Keep this in mind just for a second. I know Lebron has never won a championship, but look at his coaches throughout his NBA career. He's had a bunch of stiffs. If/when his team's GM ever gives him a legitimate great coach who can handle him (and as of now, his other co-stars as well <which you know as a Lakers fan, coaching several stars on one team can be quite a task>) I'm sure he'll get that ring. Remember what happened the first time Phil left the Lakers. Don't quote me, as I'm not researching it, but I'm pretty sure the Lakers didn't even make the playoffs. As much as people in sports say "great defense wins championships", so does great coaching. There aren't too many stiff coaches to win championships throughout NBA history. Sorry to get a bit off topic, but I'm just sayin'. I know/understand how much one's greatness is based on both clutchness and winning in the playoffs/finals. ------------- |
Posted By: kb8mvp81
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 12:24pm
Mike Brown has been to the finals with lechoke before you know that right?
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Posted By: retro
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 12:52pm
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^And who do you think took them there? Lebron or Mike Brown? You do know they got SWEPT by the Spurs, a team who has won numerous NBA titles in the Duncan/Popavich era? You do know that Zydrunas Ilgauskas was the Cavs 2nd best player, right? You do know that the rest of their starting lineup consisted of Daniel Gibson (who hasn't been a starter since), Drew Gooden, and Sasha Pavlovic? Kinda scary squad there, huh? Lebron carried that squad of SCRUBS to the NBA Finals (hell he carried the Cavs every single season he was there) in just his fourth pro season. Something has to be said for that... I'm just not going to scrutinize him or the Miami Heat in general for losing this past season in the finals to a Mavs team that had a ton of more experience, chemistry, and a coach who actually deserves to be in the NBA. Now if Bron/Wade/Bosh stay together for several seasons, get a real coach, and still never win, then I'll agree....but so many of these Lebron haters and Kobe lovers act as if Lebron has been a LOSER since he's entered the league. The guy turned garbage into gold year in year out in Cleveland. He's the sole reason Mike Brown was even given a job at ESPN, let alone the Lakers. I understand he didn't get a ring in Miami last season, but he got damn close. They have more than a one year plan there. If they didn't, him and Bosh would've just signed one-year contracts. SMH... ------------- |
Posted By: retro
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 1:04pm
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Furthermore, to prove my point, I'm going to list the coaches (and team) of every NBA champ since 1990... Pistons - Chuck Daly Bulls - Phil Jackson Rockets - Rudy Tomjanovich Spurs - Greg Popavich Lakers - Phil Jackson Pistons - Larry Brown Heat - Pat Riley Mavericks - Rick Carlisle catch my drift? Not to many of those TERRIBLE NBA head coaches, winning championships. Now, should I go through and list how many GREAT PLAYERS/SUPERSTARS/FUTURE HOF's aside from Lebron haven't won titles in that time? ------------- |
Posted By: jaydavid21
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 1:23pm
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side note: Tomjanovich was the Lakers coach when Phil left, albeit he was sick, but he was their man ------------- Yay!!!! |
Posted By: kb8mvp81
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 1:29pm
Larry brown went to new york and charlotte after, that didn't make them title contenders did it? my point is lebron is and has always been a crybaby no matter who he has on his roster, plus nobody can tell him anything and that has been well documented and most recently by shaq in his new book: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/It-is-now-LeBron-James-turn-to-be-ripped-on-by-?urn=nba-wp10111 - It is now LeBron James’ turn to be ripped on by Shaq in his new bookBy http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie?author=Kelly+Dwyer - Kelly Dwyer  Since entering the NBA in 1992, there is no feud (either real or perceived) that http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/847/ - Shaquille O'Neal http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/847/news - (notes) will not track down and endlessly prattle on the record about for anyone who will listen. Of course, it helps that he's been lucky enough to have been paired with some of the finest players in NBA history ( http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3118/ - Kobe Bryant http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3118/news - (notes) , http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3708/ - Dwyane Wade http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3708/news - (notes) , http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3103/ - Steve Nash http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3103/news - (notes) , http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3704/ - LeBron James http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3704/news - (notes) ; possibly Penny Hardaway had he stayed healthy, and last year's veteran crew in Boston) during an NBA career that ended last May. O'Neal's thoughts seem all that more interesting on the surface as a result of all that star power. After all, nobody is anxious to hear http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/425/ - Dikembe Mutombo's http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/425/news - (notes) thoughts on Eldridge Recasner. It makes sense that a week after we found out (for the 15th consecutive year) what http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/In-new-book-Shaq-explains-how-his-relationship-?urn=nba-wp9983 - O'Neal thought about Kobe Bryant in a snippet http://www.amazon.com/Shaq-Uncut-Story-Shaquille-ONeal/dp/1455504416/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1320249381&sr=1-1 - from his new book , that his thoughts on LeBron James and Shaq's time in Cleveland would come spilling out. And, http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-shaq-dishes-on-kobe-lebron/ - courtesy of HoopsWorld.com , here is the lowdown, in Shaquille's voice:
Do I even have to type out the obvious retort, here? The one that had Shaquille O'Neal failing to get back on defense for the entirety of the Obama Administration and a good chunk of George W. Bush's second term? There's a reason Delonte West got up to confront the room, and Shaq did not. Here's O'Neal's reflections on LeBron James' http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-lebroncavs051210 - somnambulant performance in Game 5 of the Eastern Conference semis back in 2010 :
It was weird to watch LeBron against the Celtics in 2010, mainly because he averaged 26.7 points, 6.4 rebounds and 7.5 assists in seven slowed-down playoff games in 2008 against the best defense in the NBA (the C's, derp) two years before. He floated in 2010, he didn't appear to care, and he seemed to want no part in dealing with a Celtics team that could have been taken down even with a limited Cavalier supporting cast. But it isn't as if we heard much from O'Neal following that game. After all, the Cavaliers had a Game 6 to play two nights later, and I don't recall Shaq grabbing his teammates by their warm-ups, and telling them what it would take to bring Cleveland their first championship. Or to get the third round. Whatever. O'Neal better get it in now. There's not a lot of book and blog fodder to come when it's time to print some tell-all about http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Report-Shaquille-O-8217-Neal-to-work-for-Turne?urn=nba-wp6246 - time spent on the Inside the NBA set . |
Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 1:33pm
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Ahhh damn I'm not reading all that. Skimming through it, I'm fine with Kobe not winning another title. He has 5, 99% of the superstars in the NBA don't even have ONE. Lebron Carried a team to the finals and got shut down by San Antonio, Dallas, Celtics, I can go on... He is not the best player in the NBA, because if he was, he would of been able to take lead with the Heat and carry his team to a championship. He couldn't even score over 2 points in the fourth quarter. NOTHING can be said about Lebrons greatness to ignore that last sentence. I would chime in more, but I'm playing MW3 with useref ------------- |
Posted By: kb8mvp81
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 1:35pm
| In the end IMO Lebron is the most talented but that does not make him the best in the league and even if he won a title, he wont look as great as he would have if he won in cleveland. |
Posted By: retro
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 1:59pm
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So, what exactly makes Kobe better than Lebron on November 8, 2011? His shoes? And this KB8MVP cat is borderline troll. I'll debate with Salvi, a fan, but not with a Stan. If you haven't heard, Shaq ripped Kobe too. And he's said a ton of stupid **** throughout his entire career. And lol at trying to discredit Larry Brown because of his tenures in NY and Charlotte. Jeez, I'm done. ------------- |
Posted By: retro
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 2:01pm
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And like I said from the beginning, I don't even like Lebron. But this isn't 2008, its 2011. And KD hasn't reached his peak yet, so yeah Lebron IS that guy right now.
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Posted By: kb8mvp81
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 2:06pm
I never once mentioned kobe til now
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Posted By: retro
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 2:09pm
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But your Lebron hate and username makes it all so obvious. And yeah, Kobe's career > Lebron's, by far. I wont even try to tell anyone otherwise, because I'd be lying to myself. But hey, losing in the Finals 2011 > losing in semi-finals 2011. The end. ------------- |
Posted By: kb8mvp81
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 2:09pm
yeah he is the guy... the one that still cries to recruit others to his team: LeBron James Recruiting PGs Steve Nash, Jamal Crawford via Twitter By Larry Brown October 27, 2011 - Posted in http://larrybrownsports.com/category/basketball - Basketball http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/lebron-james-recruiting-pgs-steve-nash-jamal-crawford-via-twitter/95206/attachment/lebron-james-steve-nash"> The Heat forward, who handled the ball for Miami a good amount last season, spent some time Thursday http://losthatsportsblog.com/2011/10/lebron-james-is-openly-recruiting-point-guard-options-via-twitter/ - recruiting point guards via Twitter . “Would love to see [Jamal Crawford] in a Heat uni! What you guys say?” he wrote in one http://twitter.com/KingJames/status/129625279567118336 - tweet . “Maybe Steve Nash in a Heat uni! So we can help each other get our 1st ring” he http://twitter.com/KingJames/status/129626580237549568 - said in another. Crawford is a free agent, which is why LeBron probably targeted him first. Nash is signed for another season with Phoenix, but he’ll be a free agent after that. Steve is 37 years old, but he’s still one of the best distributors in the NBA. Crawford is 31 and one of the best sixth men in the NBA. Either player would be an excellent addition for the Heat, and hearing from LeBron personally via Twitter probably makes them feel wanted. Miami would likely be favored to win the title if they brought in either player. |
LeBron James is a basketball player, businessman, and aspiring international icon. It looks like he may be adding another title to his business card: general manager.Posted By: kb8mvp81
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 2:12pm
I don't hate Lebron i acknowledge he is the most talented player but that doesnt make him the best.
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Posted By: retro
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 2:13pm
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Lets not overrate Jamal Crawford. And whats wrong with what he said about Nash? He himself said they could help eachother win their first rings... Kobe has never won on a team where he was the only star. Hell, even in addition to the other star, he's always had DAMN GOOD role players too. Lebron never had a chance by himself in Cleveland. You just can't win being the only star on a team. And like I said, the Heat experiment has only lasted one year thus far. And they got pretty damn close. Act like they've been together for 7 seasons. ------------- |
Posted By: kb8mvp81
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 2:14pm
Hey nobody told lebron to talk 5,6,7,8 titles, he did that to himself
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Posted By: retro
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 2:15pm
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So I'm the only one arguing Lebron as the best and voicing why I think so. Can anyone tell me why they believe Kobe, or anyone else for that matter, should be ranked ahead of him based upon anything thats happened recently? ------------- |
Posted By: kb8mvp81
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 2:16pm
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"He needs to learn to speak to the media. He puts his foot in his mouth time and time again," said But James' post-game comments also annoyed some Game On! readers who blasted him as "LeChoke" and "LeBrat." Countered reader |
Posted By: retro
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 2:18pm
Exactly why I DON'T like him (In addition to "The Decision" and his crying on the court). Doesn't take away what he does on the court and brings to a team. What exactly do you see as the difference between "most talented" and "best"? I could see you using the term "most athletic" and arguing your case...Its like you're agreeing with me but then arguing why you disagree. LOL ------------- |
Posted By: retro
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 2:19pm
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Again, talking about his dumbass mouth. Which at the end of the day may anger fans or media, but takes NOTHING away from what he brings on the court.
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Posted By: kb8mvp81
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 2:20pm
I say most talented because yeah lebron is a stat's monster and can get a triple-double if he wants but he's not the best because he still has not gotten a ring.
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Posted By: kb8mvp81
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 2:25pm
| my personal top 5 has dirk, durant, lebron, kobe, howard. that's just my opinion |
Posted By: useref15
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 2:34pm
I agree, but theres no sense in arguing with these bafoons. All they do is ride Kobe, so it's not even worth it. ------------- |
Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 3:47pm
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I'll come in and write a 3 page essay. It's fine if you think Lebron is the best player, if MJ or Kobe would of busted a Lebron in the finals they would of been slayed to death. ------------- |
Posted By: useref15
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 4:56pm
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How about Kobe Bryant is the best player in the league with an NBA championship. Is that better? ------------- |
Posted By: useref15
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 4:57pm
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Nvm, that wouldn't make sense for me because I ranked Wade in front of Kobe. And, at this stage in their careers, I'd take Wade over Kobe. ------------- |
Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 7:51pm
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Dirk had the best season last year and was the best player in the NBA. He killed every team and was unstoppable every single round. I wouldn't say he's better overall player than Kobe, but he was the best player last season. What he did was incredible. So I wouldn't be mad if someone said he's currently the best player in the NBA. I know he'll lose that title whenever the next season starts. Lebron could never do what Dirk did, or Kobe. I can see how you'd take Wade over Kobe because you guys think he's old. But you heard it here first. Kobe will have an MVP type season again this upcoming season, whenever it starts. ------------- |
Posted By: TCMan5190
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 7:55pm
damn a real argument on UTA going on with the NBA still in lockout  but I can't put Lebron as the best player when he obviously disappeared in the finals and wasn't even the best player on his team. I think he's the most gifted player as far as what he has to work with, but IMO to be the BEST you need to take what you have and utilize it to it's fullest potential. Put in the extra work to develop your skills to be the best. I don't think he's the most skilled player or the most versatile at this point. He definitely can be if he's smart with how he plays. It's hard for me to pick a list of top 5...I'm not willing to say Kobe has lost a step because he still can play with the best of the best. and After getting a lot more rest this season I wanted to see how he played, but apparently we might not be able to know. Wade (when healthy) and Kobe are my top 2. Then dirk and durant. Melo I think is above lebron offensively and comes through in the clutch including against lebron. he hasn't gone to the finals though so I think i'd say Lebron at #5 and Melo next ------------- http://twitter.com/#!/TCMan5190 - Follow Me! |
Posted By: useref15
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 8:03pm
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Are all Kobe stans Lebron haters? I mean, 5th best? I don't like lebron at all, but I mean it is what it is. ------------- |
Posted By: TCMan5190
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 8:08pm
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there's more to being a great player than having the physical/athletic gifts he has. I still don't think he's as skilled as some, let alone the mental aspect to the game ------------- http://twitter.com/#!/TCMan5190 - Follow Me! |
Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 8:24pm
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Dude, Lebron is NOT CLUTCH AT ALL. How can the number one player not be clutch? Melo is probably the most clutch player besides Kobe in the NBA and dudes are not even putting him in their top 5. The only aspect to Melos game that lacks is his defense. So Lebron has his moments where he gets chase down blocks and scores whenever he wants. Well apparently he can't score when he wants to in the fourth quarter. He can't hit game winners because he missed about 9 of them last season alone, so he's not clutch. His free throw percentage was putrid to say the least. He still can't shoot a consistent jumper or a three ball, but he's the best player in the NBA?' Would Michael Jordan get out played by Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade if they were on his team? HELL NO! Lebron not only got outplayed by both of his teammates when it mattered most, but he didn't even go down swinging. I remember 90% of NBA fans clowning on KB because he had 2 NBA finals losses under his belt, well guess what? Lebron has 2 NBA finals losses under his belt and not one championship in 9 seasons. If Lebron is the best player in the league, than the NBA has really fallen off. Lebron has no killer instinct, fundamentals, footwork, jump shot, or an understanding of what it means to win. Yet he's the best player in the NBA. We might as well say Derrick Rose is the best player in the NBA. Dude has zero jumpshot or 3 ball, but he's arguably one of the most explosive players in the NBA just like Lebron. Last time I checked you didn't get recognition for going to the finals and losing. But apparently, for the chosen one, the way you judge and MJ or a Kobe is not the way you judge a Lebron. ------------- |
Posted By: TCMan5190
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 8:36pm
that's why I hesitate to put melo in the top 5. well that and his attitude can get in the way ------------- http://twitter.com/#!/TCMan5190 - Follow Me! |
Posted By: NoelAir24
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 9:08pm
Here's O'Neal's reflections on LeBron James' http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-lebroncavs051210 - somnambulant performance in Game 5 of the Eastern Conference semis back in 2010 :
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Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Date Posted: 08 November 2011 at 9:55pm
Word. I wasn't trying to diss anyone for not putting Melo in their top 5, but I'm saying all of the skills Melo has that are better than Lebron, and those people are ranking Lebron 1 and Melo not even in the top 5..Makes no sense to me. ------------- |
Posted By: useref15
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 12:03am
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video not working.... heres the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2GNE9JLNJPg#! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2GNE9JLNJPg#!
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Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 12:53am
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I don't get it ------------- |
Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 12:57am
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Posted By: NoelAir24
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 2:56am
Posted By: OG Rodney20
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 5:15am
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I really don't understand how this list is such an offense to the sanctity of the sport of basketball. You might disagree with the order (and maybe the last two entries), but it's not a far stretch saying LeBron is the most talented in the league. As much as I hate the dude (and I've been hating him for a LONG time), he's just that good. His passing skills, scoring ability, defense, he can flat-out play. It makes my stomach hurt to type that. And yes, LeBron disappeared in the Finals, I watched it and enjoyed it thoroughly. But the list isn't "Most Clutch" or "Best Winners" or "Most Hardware". If it was, Tim Duncan would be in the discussion. It's for the best basketball player. And in all honesty, in 2011, LeBron plays basketball better than most. ALSO, this is something that's been bothering me, everyone has been talking about how the Heat/LeBron choked in the Finals. No one really discussed how the Lakers got STEAM-ROLLED by the Mavs. That game 4 was disgusting to watch, but still, people have Kobe at #1. As much of a fan as I am of dude, I can't let that ride. Evan and Tim, I'm on y'alls side. ------------- |
Posted By: retro
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 11:50am
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In the case of Kobe never having a true rival...Tim Duncan I know its never been heated, but they've been the leaders of their respective teams, who have basically owned the league since the time both were drafted. ------------- |
Posted By: kb8mvp81
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 11:54am
Yeah in the end dirk outplayed everyone including LeBron, D-wade and Kobe so i would say he is the current best player and he has a ring to show it not like the ringless king.
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Posted By: retro
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 12:00pm
Right, but we aren't talking about the best player in the league in 2009 and 2010, we're talking about today. Don't give me that **** about Lebron losing credibility either because of having D-Wade on his team, because Kobe has always had a co-star too. And Chris Bosh is NOT a superstar anyway, imo he's really the equal to a Bynum/Odom combo, if not a step below. Keep in mind outside of the BIG3, Miami didn't have much at all. A lot of those stiffs didn't even belong in the NBA last season. And I happen to love D Wade, but overall, no, he isn't better than Lebron either. He just does things better than Lebron, such as jump shooting and scoring in the clutch. But Lebron has some intangibles that D-Wade's game can't see. ------------- |
Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 12:39pm
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It seems to me that most of the people that believe Lebron to be the best player in the world only base it on what they think he's capable of, rather than what he's actually done. Because the facts are, he's choked in the playoffs and finals the past two seasons. He choked against Boston with the Cavs, and he had a melt down vs the Mavs in the Finals. Yet, he's still the best player in the world? I'm guessing if he chokes for a third year in a row whenever the next season comes around, you guys will probably consider him to be the greatest player ever. ------------- |
Posted By: TCMan5190
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 1:08pm
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Posted By: OG Rodney20
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 1:21pm
Yeah, we could go back and forth in this thread forever, it's not like anyone's gonna say "You know what, you guys are right and I was wrong, let's lock this up". So for everyone saying that Bron isn't the best player, who's ahead of him? I cannot believe I'm actually defending this dude. ------------- |
Posted By: useref15
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 1:56pm
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Has Alex Rodriguez been the best MLB player prior to winning the championship in 2009? I'd say so. I know he's fallen off as late, but in the 2000s up until recently the past two years, hes been the best. He was known for someone who couldn't win in the clutch, but he was still the best player. Look at Albert Pujols this postseason. If you said A-Rod isn't the best, but Pujols is....look at his numbers. He was as bad as an equivalent as Lebron was in the playoffs, but Pujols is viewed as the best. Just what Rodeny said.....we're not saying who the most clutch is or best winner, because Lebron clearly isn't. But.....he is the most talented and can do the most out of everyone (scoring, rebounding, passing etc)in the NBA. ------------- |
Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 2:12pm
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The most talented does not equal the best player. You guys keep bringing up that Lebron is not the best winner, or most clutch, or have the most skill, but this is something that an overall best player has to have. That's why they are the best....
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Posted By: NoelAir24
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 4:17pm
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Posted By: NoelAir24
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 4:36pm
Lebron does lose credibility joining those 2 playes like it or not. The 3 of these are in their prime now and superstars Kobe has never had 2 Superstars like that ever in his career in their primes all 3. Lamar and Bynum aren't even all star's according to everyone else when it comes down to it and in in the All Star game lets keep it that way  Yes he is a superstar don't give me that s**t, he outplayed Lebron in the finals too come on now wtf Yes bring out all those lame excuses like always for Lebron this dude choked when it came down to it Especially with his team in control of the series at one point he couldn't step up just alil bit. It was pathetic! I couldn't believe what my eyes were seeing someone with all that talent you guys talk about just disappearing. So great defensively like you guys always talk that he can guard the 1-5 position why didn't he lock up Dirk then? Defensive player of the year material?! all that bulls**t was nowhere to be found. Jason Terry punked his ass  so your saying he still needs more help
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Posted By: TCMan5190
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 6:45pm
I am pretty disappointed in you Rodney. always thought I could count on you for some good lebron hatred ------------- http://twitter.com/#!/TCMan5190 - Follow Me! |
Posted By: retro
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 9:12pm
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word, its all subjective and good debate. I think the real answer is, regardless of what any of our opinions are....there is no clear-cut BEST player in the league right now. Its debatable, and very debatable. I'm really not mad at anyone saying Kobe is better, but I just wish their reason for saying so was because of how good Kobe is today, not because of Lebron's deficiencies. And like Rodney, I cannot begin to believe I've been defending Lebron like this. I've grown to hate the guy, for reasons a lot of you have used for why he isn't the best, even though most of those have nothing to do with his game on the court. I'm also pretty sure that with his current pace and with Kobe continuing to (slightly) decline, this KD35 fellow is gonna have the crown in another year or so, and at that point it won't even be debatable. It might hurt his team somewhat, I dunno, but when Russell Westbrook leaves, KD's numbers are going to be SCARY. ------------- |
Posted By: NoelAir24
Date Posted: 09 November 2011 at 9:34pm
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I have stated on several occasions that KD35 since his rookie is the one to take the throne as the undisputed player after Kobe. Looks like i was right after all  His game top to bottom is impressive that jumper is just automatic ------------- |
Posted By: G.D.I.
Date Posted: 10 November 2011 at 2:47am
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Lebron has all the gifts, physical he has the speed agility and hops. Basketball IQ, he knows where everyone is on the floor. End of the day, he can't shoot (though he gets hot at times) or dribble, and REFUSES to establish any post game. So, how can he be considered the best? There is more to the game than the stat sheet by the way. Hockey assist arent counted. an altered shot. etc etc. He was outplayed, in all or at crucial times, by Dirk, Kidd, JT, Chalmers, Bosh, and Wade in the finals. At any given time, he was the SEVENTH best player on the court. SEVENTH. and as Shaq (who I hate) said, he deferred to CHALMERS in the 4th quarter of the finals. WTF is that? Then TWO years ago he quit. I don't care what anyone says, he quit on his team against the Celtics. to me it takes a lot to live that down and be considered the best. The "best player in the league" quit on his team. Don't give me the BS about how bad that team was either. It was a collection of players built AROUND Lebron. I understand their record last year, but they lost the person the team was built for. Surrounded with shooters to kick the ball out to, but no one was a shot creator. I may get flamed for that, but that Cavs team was not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Everyone is just drinking the Lebron Kool Aid IMO. If we are talking based on last year and assuming they live up to it this year, therefore we are talking the five best players for the 2011-12 season that wont happen, and rings/playoffs do not matter then why is Zach Randolph not in anyone's top five? Please tell me someone with a bigger impact on their team... GRIZZLIES had a bigger impact. I will not give my top five, I don't know the order. Bron is their, not #1 though... My problem, I am confused on what is being argued. Everyone else problem seems to be definition of best. Sorry for the essay Thats all ------------- I WANT OBSIDIAN XII's in a size 11, 11.5, or 12. If you can help me out, let me know. Thanks |
Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Date Posted: 10 November 2011 at 10:57am
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^ You are completely right. I just don't see how a player missing that many facets to his game can be considered the best. I can't believe I didn't bring up his non existent post game either. I don't want to hear **** about him not needing a post game, because he obviously does if he could not make more than one basket in the finals in the last 12 minutes of every game. Only player you forgot to mention G.D.I. was Deshawn Stevenson....He out played Lebron. Heat fans were ready to kill Lebron after the finals. I'm not even saying Kobe is the best player in the NBA, but he's still better than Lebron at 33 years of age and going on to his 16th season. Dirk easily had the best season, and I wouldn't be mad if someone said he was the best player last year because he clearly was. I know that will all change in the next coming season so that is why I don't have a problem with that. On another Kobe note, he still has at least 2 on top years left under his belt. Don't be surprised if you keep hearing about KB being on top for another 2-3 years. Haters will be dissapointed. ------------- |
Posted By: useref15
Date Posted: 10 November 2011 at 1:23pm
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Zach Randolph top 5....... ------------- |
Posted By: G.D.I.
Date Posted: 10 November 2011 at 2:11pm
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Who had a better playoff performance last season other than Dirk? Honestly, I am not sure any player did. And Z. Randolph without a doubt put up one of the five best performances last year in the playoffs, despite going out in the second round. I do not think Randolph is top five, I am just trying to determine where everyone's statements are coming from. ------------- I WANT OBSIDIAN XII's in a size 11, 11.5, or 12. If you can help me out, let me know. Thanks |
Posted By: useref15
Date Posted: 12 November 2011 at 11:42pm
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Yeah, you guys made me rethink. He can't be considered the best while he lacks a bunch of things. So, I'd put Wade at number 1 then. ------------- |
Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Date Posted: 13 November 2011 at 1:30pm
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No way in hell D-Wade is the best player in the NBA. Ima just sit here and say Dirk is the current best player in the league and that it will be very short lived once the next season starts. ------------- |
Posted By: X SalviOutlaw X
Date Posted: 13 November 2011 at 3:20pm
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Posted By: NoelAir24
Date Posted: 13 November 2011 at 11:49pm
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